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Background information, House on Friars Walk, Doyle Road and eventually Ballyphehane. Father did not want to return to the house he built on Doyle Rd after Marie's Mother Died, instead choosing to be housed in new corporation house in Ballyphehane even though that meant paying rent. Mother was from Middleton, Father born and raised on Friar’s walk. He went to the model School on Anglesea St. Like to hunt with dogs. Marie went to the South Presentation convent till she was eleven when she move to Guildford, England to her aunties for three month, returned to Ballyphehane but grandmother sick so Marie never returned to school. |
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Ballyphehane in her childhood. All country, spent her days out in the Well Field by the snotty bridge. Pack jam sandwiches, going swimming in the stream and a well for drinking water. Her child hood house on Friars road was the last house on the road. After that it was all dirt road. It would have been across form where the Marian Pharmacy is now. Across the road was tory top lane (not to be confused with Tory top road). The other street (now Reendowny Place) they called ‘the lane’ but when her friend’s boyfriend the captain of the Innisfallen came looking for her one day he called it First Avenue which subsequently stuck. When her friend married the captain they got VIP treatment on the Innisfallen. |
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The Layout of Lower Friars walk. Market Gardens, all of Ballyphehane was market gardens. First house in lower friars walk lived in By a guard by the name of Kearney, he rented from Gerry Coughlan. Next house John Barrett the builder rented from Michael Halloran. The house Marie lived in was Tim Hurley’s, he had a market garden all around the house. He had four daughters, three became Nuns. One got married. There was hill view which was three houses, one was grandmother of Hurley’s, one was Horgan’s, and the other was another Hurley which had nine of them living in it. The next family was the Scannell’s who had a market garden. Then Hosford’s a protestant family who had an orchard. Next was Cotter, the last house on left hand side was Coughlan’s. On the Right hand side of Lwr Friars walk. Jim Barrett and Joe Barrett, then you an O’Connor. The next was William Halloran Marie’s Grandmothers brother. His daughter was married to Paddy Foley and they lived in the house below, also market gardeners. Next was Halloran’s orchard where the church is now. |
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Halloran’s orchard. Small gate through to a small house, Marie’s aunt lived in. Halloran’s (Marie’s great Grandparents) reared her. Marie’s grandmother had six daughters and one son. Further in was the Halloran house, they had a daughter that never married called Katie and she was in another house. Nat the back of the orchard you had Crowley’s and they had an orchard too. |
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After the Halloran’s Orchard you had Riordan who was involved in the I.R.A. Marie is unsure of the exact details but remembers prisoners being released from England came looking for Riordan, Marie’s grandmother sent them to another Riordan who lived in the big house. Then sent word to the real O’Riordan to get out. |
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After his house there was a lane way to Pouladuff Road. Donovan lived there, they called him ‘Murder the Loaf’ and his son ‘slice pan’. Then the next family was Daly’s on Tramore road in a cottage and that was the end of Friars Walk going down. They Called Tramore road Tramore road, but was also known as Hangdog road. Marie’s Grandmothers brother lived where Healy’s cleaners is which was called low lands, In a big house. Marie was caught kissing her Husband Gerry (her then boyfriend) in the ‘Confessional boxes’ (concrete cubicles) by the priest, Who asked if they ‘had anything better to do?’ |
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Halloran’s Orchard. Marie doesn’t remember her great grandparents having it, it was her uncle paddy who ran it. Massive orchard went all the way to Pouladuff rd., with many people employed to pick apples. After Marie’s grandmother got married first she work in the orchard, her husband was a plaster. Originally grandmother was meant to marry a farmer from Ballygarvan, but she was already going out with what would turn out to be her husband and had no intention of marrying famer her parents had matched her with. Great-grandfather told her that all she would get from him in that case is a pair of grey horses to pull her carriage on the wedding day and nothing else. Never got her dowry. So she was the poor one of the family. But it came to her later, one of the Halloran’s that lived by the park died without a will, he was never married, to sell his property every member had to sign, grandmother told not to sign but said ‘what my father never gave me I don’t want’ and she signed it. |
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The city was a million miles away to them, only went in to get shoes and they mostly came from England or hand-me-downs. England had better way of getting things even though it wasn’t too much different there. Marie’s grandaunt was a very holy person, the night Cork city burned they left the animals from the mart loose, which led to a bull going own Friars walk with its chains hanging and rattle, Marie’s Grandaunt thought it was the devil coming out of hell. |
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There was loads of children on Friars walk, they all played down Friary gardens. The Davis’ had nine girls and for boys, the Duggan’s had ten. All big massive families all Marie’s age, all played together. Games they played: Gobs a game with stones, flick stones/pebbles in the air and catch them on back of hand, the gobs had names ska one and ska two, Marbles or glassy alleys, Picky, and skipping. Recites some skipping rhymes. Loads of rhymes like that. I the summer they would be in their bare feet. Marie thinks they had better childhood than today, better memories than looking at a phones and tablets. Marie thinks Those devices aren’t good for kids, but they need to use them for school. They would play with twine and make pattern from twisting, like the gate and baby’s cradle. Her uncle in Midleton was a tailor, he saved all the reels for her, she would put four tack in them and put thread around and keep flicking them over the tacks and you would have a big rope. Collecting scraps was also big. There would be murder over them, robbing them and everything. |
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Marie had two older brothers, Teddy died of cancer at forty three, and the other is still alive and is eighty, he thought out in C.I.T |
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Food growing up. They saw meat on Sunday, maybe a shoulder of bacon. Plenty of potatoes, vegetables and rice. They could make rice pudding some days. They would have porridge in the morning. You would have to be sick top get an egg. They would eye up the top of the fathers boiled egg and fight over it. Mother would get the bones out of the butcher on Saturday, boil them with vegetables and make a big pot of soup, which would last a few days. Back bones, her husband was never given back bones or bodice because they were country people, so when Marie married her father told her to get back bone with tail, Gerry came in from work he turned his nose up at it. He came round. Bought pigs head convinced husband to eat it, not too convinced, her father kept saying the ear is crispy. Tongue was delicious. Tripe and Drisseen, tripe cooked in milk and onions for a long time, drissenn on the other hand cooked very fast. It’s very good for your stomach. Children wouldn’t touch it. |
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Marie’s Husband, was from Ballincollaig out the country side in a cottage. He moved to Blackrock and they met in the boat club at a new year’s eve dance. Liam went to school with Marie’s husband Gerry in St. Joseph’s. Gerry’s mother wouldn’t send him to Blackrock because she would see the pupils smoking over the wall by the house and see said ‘you’re not going down there, you’ll only learn to smoke down there’ so he had to go to the mardyke all the way from Blackrock. They had to be left off early for lunch so they could get home on the 12.15 bus and back in to school after lunch at 1.30(7km each way). . |
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Friars Walk cont. Tory top lane ran at the side of the where the Marian chemist is now. The ex-servicemen’s cottages were in friary gardens. At the end where the bungalows are is where the lane turned off. Johnny Crowley had a market garden there and fed pigs. Bella Dunne her mother Kitty Paul and their donkey was so hungry that it ate the door of the shed. Where Connolly road side of the park was called the field, they played there. Barbed wire divvied it from the graveyard, little bit down was McCloughan’s cottage, then Neville’s slaughter house next to another Halloran. By the front of the graveyard there was a big red brick building with toilets and a water font. All countryside, no house after that. Barrett’s on friars walk off Derrynane Rd? Big house in playing field (tory top park) Catharine Mahoney called Catherine ‘snowballs’. And Noel ‘the goat’ and his wife’s mother nanny Callaghan they used to sit her out in a chair Marie thought she was ‘dotie’ thinking about it now she had dementia, they used light paper and put it in the chute to torment them (they called it thunder up the alley), he would come out in his long johns, and they used to call him the ‘devil out of hell’. There was a pump outside their house. House in the park was used as community centre. Then was ‘First Avenue’(now Reendowny Place) at the end of the houses you crossed a field to pouladuff, Noel Halloran lived in the first house, he was killed down in Dunlop’s, a man Meaney, Callaghan’s, Leary, Fitzgerald’s Harris’. They used to call this area the cross, friars walk with ‘first avenue’ and tory top lane being the other roads. Mrs Harris had teeth that were always coming out, Marie’s brother told Marie that they were the father’s teeth. Paddy the milk man , the grandmother used to make Marie get a sup for the cat off him. CMP dairy not on tramore road at time it was a big house. And where Vita Cortex factory is was Ballyphehane House, which was used a school while Coláiste Chríost Rí on Capwell was being built. The woman who lived by there used to wash the football teams jerseys she was call Mag ‘the Whalloper’ she moved to murphy’s lane , they called her husband ‘Hollywood’ because of his immaculate dressing. All bog down there by Mercier park. Turners cross pitch was all bog. The train line ran passed it. Also the Tramore river from the ESB pitch and putt was all open but no a lot is piped over. |
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The Building of Ballyphehane. Marie’s brother worked on it. Big change, her house was taken to they could build houses. Brother was sent to Skerry’s college (civil service training) but after 2 months it was discovered that her brother was just hanging out in Fitzgerald’s park and not attending college. So he was marched to Leaders for a bib and brace sent to Ballyphehane and learnt his trade on the house facing the graveyard. Marie was thirteen when the development started, she loved it, it modernised her life and luxuries such as Lennox’s Chipper and everything else, very positive. On the cross they would have a huge Bonfire every year and put new potatoes in the corner of fire and all eat spuds. No traffic, only horse and carts, they used to ‘lang on’ (hang on) the back of the ‘floats’ (flatbed carts) that brought the men back from the docks. She wouldn’t say she made friends with the new people moving in, but she was at the age where she was chasing fellas so she welcomed the new arrivals. |
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Haunted house or scary stories. . Scanlon’s house where one of them hung himself, another then was put in to the mental home on the Lee road. They had that kind of tendency in the family. Marie used to go to graveyard where Fr Matthew’s grave was a you could see a coffin in a sarcophagus that made them run away. |
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Say’s she had a fabulous upbringing in her youth, freedom, not like now. On her school holidays they used leave the house go to the well field with their togs, no towel and stay out till five in the evening, no worries. Couldn’t do that today. That house Marie lives in now on Doyle rd was built entirely by her father 80 years ago. All the tradesmen help each out. Marie’s daughter lives on Derrynane rd and was brought in to the neighbour’s house to be shown signatures of the tradesmen that worked on the house and Marie’s fathers was there. |
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Revised the Black and Tans story, all names of people living in house was written behind door and they’d check if it matched. INTERVIEW ENDS |
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Early Life: Evergreen Street. 3 brother and 3 sisters. Father worked in England. Mother was an invalid. The house had 1 little room. Bad conditions, no work in Cork. Would only see father once a year or once every second year. Telegram boy would come with wages every now and then. Eldest sister looked after them. No room for 2 eldest siblings in the house. Mattress on the floor. Remembers the talk of his eldest siblings and cousin from Turners cross deciding to emigrate to England. The travelled on the InnisFallon. They were 17 or 18, embarrassed to bring friends back to the house. Arthur thinks that this may have been the deciding factor to leave. The Grandmother lived next door, she knitted down quilts from peoples woollen jumpers and sold them to her neighbours. She also sold apples from a barrel from her front window to the school children for a penny. The apples came from an orchard on the end of Friars Walk were Ballyphehane church is now. It was Arthur’s job on the weekend to go and collect the apples. He often cried, had a boxcar with 2 pram wheels, he would go all the way to the orchard, half way down Friars walk where the Marian Pharmacy is now was a was 4 cottages and a water pump with a cup attached where Arthur used to stop to get refreshed. Where the orchard was there was also a farm house belong to Paddy Halloran with a big country yard with a lot of fowl. Get the bag of apples from him, wouldn’t get back home till 8 in the evening. He used to give Arthur an apple on the sly. The corporation decided to build up Ballyphehane, so he had to sell his land to the corporation, and opened the Bull McCabe pub on the Kinsale Road, his son had it after him. The collecting of the apples was Arthur’s first experience of Ballyphehane. |
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The building of Ballyphehane: there was no building work at the time, so those who had been moved out here were given work on the church, all local direct labour. The church used to be packed with parishioners. 2 priests were assigned to the area, they were firstly given corporation houses on the corner of Joe Murphy road and Friars walk, eventually they built four house at the rear of the church. The parish ended up with 5 priests, ‘all good men’. After that thing were picking up with the building of the roads in Ballyphehane. |
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The Credit Union: was the greatest thing that happened. Ballyphehane was the first Credit union in Cork, could have been the first in the country (First outside Dublin). Meeting called in the school hall about setting it up. Bishop Lucey had been in America and had met people there that told him about the credit union movement which had begun in Germany. The New Cannon in the church, Cannon Henchy was told by Bishop that it would be a good idea to set up a credit union in the area to bring people together. Great interest from the beginning, a few men volunteered to take it on, and it grew. Due to the speed at which Ballyphehane was built, the houses got dishevelled quite quickly, with doors off hinges etc. The Corporation had a repair unit on Friars walk in a tin shed, that is still there (the pipe band is there now) and can’t be moved with out permission, it was originally a part of a market garden. The corporation weren’t very reliable when it came to repairs. The credit union filled this void and enabled the locals to afford to maintain their house. At first the credit union was based out of the church. Arthur volunteered on Saturday with the Children’s bank. It picked up with everybody saving locally. To buy a mattress or anything one would have to go to Sean Jennings on grand parade where the park is now, you would be paying off for one item but when that was nearly paid off they would get you to buy something else and people would get further into debt. The credit union made these purchases easier and more affordable. In Arthur’s case, he was able to get a loan to build some garden walls at the back of his house, eventually he was able to buy a car for £80, which was an awful lot of money, couldn’t have afforded it without the assistance of the credit union. |
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The Car: in question was a Morris Minor which had to fit a family of seven and whoever else was tagging along. The car opened up things to the family, they would go to red strand or Youghal every Sunday. One Sunday a friend of his daughter Pat’s was with them on a trip, he was teaching Pat to drive, got to Bandon and she wouldn’t drive through the town, so they swapped seats Arthur drove through the town and swapped back again after the town, on the way home same thing happened again but this time there was a hitchhiker on the road, while they were swapping seats the hitchhiker thought they had stopped for them and sat in the seat ‘Jesus, you’ve a big crowd in here’ he said, Arthur had to explain what was going on and the hitchhiker didn’t take to kindly to being removed from the car. |
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The Credit union Cont.: progress was made through the credit union, the council was always putting you on the longer finger, so you’d go to the credit union for money and get a local to the job in the house. Back door, windows, today he says he wouldn’t have anything if it weren’t for the credit union. The council owe them a big honour, the beauty of Ballyphehane house and upkeep of gardens is due to the CU, and the CU gets little recognition for this. Footballers and hurlers and anyone gets honoured by the council but not the CU. |
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FR Matthew, the Graveyard and the GAA: They started a hurling club called the Fr Matthews due to him being buried in St Joseph’s cemetery. His grave was a famous site where people would go for cure, they would do rounds of his grave in hope to cure cancer. The comedian Ignatius Commerford lived across the road from Arthur and he used to do rounds of the grave every morning after he had a stroke, trying to get his speech back. Back to the GAA club, the locals weren’t happy with name, so called a meeting in turners cross school and had a vote, which passed the name Ballyphehane Hurling and Football club. They set up street leagues for the young fellas under 12, each street had its own teams which competed against each other. They played first at Tory Top park. Casement Soccer club then set up street leagues too |
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The Battle of Ballyphehane: One Sunday the GAA club and the Soccer team’s finals clashed. Both were to be played at Tory Top park. It was known as the battle of Ballyphehane. The men on Connolly Road were setting up soccer goal post and men on the other side were putting up the Hurling goal post, there was children and the Sinn Féin pipe band waiting to play, the nest thing they men started arguing ‘ye can play after’ and Paddy Mahoney took off his coat and shirt, they had to call the priest to settle the matter, Fr Fitzgerald came up told one group to play next week and the other to play the following week and the final should be played on these days for every year. |
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Neville’s Lane at the side of the Marian Pharmacy, the side gate to the park used to be a massive house belonging to the Neville family. They gave the pitch to the children. We used to take a picnic to the cemetery on Sundays and look at the grave, nothing else to do, no TV or radio, you’d have go through that lane way, no Derrynane road at the time no Doyle’s road to Connolly road. Connolly road was just stones and earth. |
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Getting the house in Ballyphehane: you needed a contact to get a house in the area, ‘you’d have to know the Lord Mayor’, ‘some councillor had pull’ Dino was a fierce man in those days’. Arthur had to go to the tinny shed with the form and house would be given out the following week. Was told to pick a house on Joe Murphy Road and come back and tell them. Picked No. 52 because the sun was shining in the back garden. Got the key the following Monday. The road was not yet finished, no fences and earth and rubble everywhere. There a lot of families worse off, Arthur by then had a job in Murphy’s Bacon Factory on evergreen road (a job he kept for 33years). The Walkers were the first to move in the road, in 1957. He had been living in a flat in Washington street, above the Washington inn looking over the roof of the court house. MacDonald’s from Bishopstown owned the pub. After he got married he had nowhere to go, a fella told him to go to Oliver Plunket street and see John Mcasey (pub by the market) he gave him a small flat as a stopgap. They were in a 1 room attic sweatbox, 4-5 flights of stairs. His sister was home, her brother -in-law was a housing officer in the city hall. They were out for a drink and a chatted about family and Arthurs situation came up, the brother in law came to assess the flat, he discovered that the Jim Barry’s (boxer and cork hurling coach) tailor was on a lower floor and had four men working and one toilet which Arthur had to share with them. He said that’s illegal, later got the call from the council and got the bungalow on Joe murphy road. Very happy on Joe Murphy road. ‘I’d go back there today’ lived there for nearly 10 years. |
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Collecting the church dues: Fr Fitzgerald called to the houses chatting to people and tell of the churches debt. He appointed Arthur and his neighbour Timmy Cooney to call to the house on their road very Sunday to collect a shilling from each and mark it in a jotter, and return the money to the sacristy. Some would pay, others would skip it. Cooney used say ‘don’t go in there now, the young fella will come out and he’ll say ‘me mam said she’s gone out’’ did that for years. Was then roped in to the credit union, for the children’s bank on Saturday mornings from 10 to 12. |
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The move to Nuns Walk: He was told that his family was too big for the house on Joe Murphy road and that he would have to move to Togher. He had 5 kids at this stage. They were all upset. No reasonable time to leave. Told a chap in the credit union and he said ‘I’ll be leaving my house on nuns walk shortly, I’ll have a word with the Fr Fitzgerald’ (he had great pull, he was known as Lord Fitzgerald, he inherited Fitzgerald Park and the Cork cricket grounds and Fitzgerald’s place by the south infirmary.) Fr Fitzgerald got on to Jimmy Dineen the housing officer who was also a founding member of the credit union and he helped out again and got Arthur and his family into the house on Nuns walk. Got the house but was to tell no one because there was loads of interest in houses at the time, but he got it through his volunteering with the church and the credit union. The previous owner used to do shoe repairs in the house. He had worked for Hanover Shoe company where the dole office is now on Clarkes bridge, that closed down and himself and a fella named Jack Dwyer (the sunbeam dywers) decided to rent the store on Pouladuff road (ucc use it now). He was exporting boxes of shoes to Italy, in the end he wasn’t getting anything back, found out that they were going to a false address, and he lost all the whole business. He then started a repair shop here in the house. So there was smell of leather in the house from him. His wife used to give out about it, so he rent a shop on Peasre square, later he packed it in, the wife said he was over worked. He moved from here to where SuperValu is on the Togher Road. Only Fr Fitzgerald, jimmy Dineen and Arthur knew of the move. |
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The buses in Ballyphehane 1960s: they came up as far as the church, turned up friars walk and turned by the tinny shed and go around the corner, that house had massive trees. Arthur describes trees of Ballyphehane which re-date the suburb being built. The Carroll’s had a house over by where the harp bar is and got to pick a house wherever they wanted in the area and moved to Connolly road. The big weeping willows on Derrynane road (recently cut down), the bus would turn there, the conductor would sit on the wall and have a smoke or go to the toilet, and the driver and the school kids would be waiting for the conductor, the young fellas would hit the bell and the driver would head off without the conductor, and more fella would get on and hit the bell again, the conductor would be running after and the driver would have to turn back to get the conductor. The trees at lynches (Katheleen Lynch the TD, her family fierce Sinn Féin man and a Bowl player, Dinny) house were older than Ballyphehane. |
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The first shop in Ballyphehane: was down Kilreendowney avenue was owned by the Carrol family. Used stay open late, people used to get milk and cigarettes. A work colleague of Arthur’s, Sammy Forde married one of the Carroll’s daughters, and the family gave her a gift of what is now Fordes shop on Pearse road. |
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The Club House? Tory Top park The Club house? Could be Neville’s house in the park, people did have meetings there, but it got vandalised. Or it could be the Club house on the corner of ST Patrick’s road, Deer park, across the road from the shop, was Nemo Rangers first club house. There was a public toilet in Ballyphehane park. In the side gate off Neville’s lane, behind where the goals would be there was a square red bricked house and it was a gent’s toilet. ? Arthur Jnr has no recollection of these, must be early 1960s. 2 characters used to work with Arthur, Connie Bennett (Joe Murphy Road) and Tommy Kelleher (pauladuff Road) fierce for the drink, they could end up anywhere. They were coming home late one night from Mountain bar on Evergreen Road, everyone used the park as shortcut, the lads were going through the park and Tommy was bursting for the toilet, rushed over to the gents and tommy went in and ran out quickly shouting with his pants down round his knees, he had walked in on a young couple embracing. Connie told all of Cork about it. The Bandstand used to have a band every second Sunday, great place for the kids. |
0.53.43 - 1.01.23 |
The Explosion at the republican plot in St Finbarr’s Cemetery: The monument. Timmy Cooney said that they should go out to the cemetery on Glasheen road to see de Valera unveil a plaque to the old IRA, there will be a band at 3pm. The night before there was an explosion out there. You could hear it all around. Some Sinn Féin guy’s had set a bomb at the monument to get de Valera. They had been at a dance in the Tomas Ashe hall (Sinn Féin hall) on Fr Matthew quay. Mick Collins from Evergreen Road, Madden from Upper Fr Matthew Road, and a young fella Swanton, from Blackrock. Arthur knew them, had worked in some capacity with Swanton and was quite friendly with him. They decide to have a smoke before they left the plot. Whatever happened, the bomb went off, three of them went up, one of Madden’s arms was found a distance away, he is still alive on turners Cross. Collins ran off to England. Swanton died in the blast. Timer on the bomb set wrong. This had a fructuous effect on the IRA in the city and led to factions being set up. Sinn Féin members who attended the funeral was expelled from the party. Arthur attended the Funeral. Swanton worked for Sisk and used to do lot of jobs in the Bacon Factory. Mr Mulcahy: form Nuns walk, took park in the boarder Campaign in the late 1950s early 1960s in the North. He was arrested in an ambush where Séan South killed. (He roped Barry Doyle into Sinn Fein). He was arrested and jailed for 12 years, wouldn’t sign out or let the family visit. Fr Fitzgerald visited him. He died and they buried in St Finbarr’s, Guards and army presence to stop the gun salute from happening. But later in the school playing field in Ballyphehane they did the gun salute, even though unmarked cars were monitoring the area. |
1.01.24 - 1.05.57 |
What Ballyphehane means to Arthur: The greatest thing ever. It gave him a place to live and to enjoy. Never met so many great people anywhere. Wouldn’t live anywhere else, the most pleasant place. It used to all bog land, used to pick blackberries, there used to be a train line, he was on the last train to Courtmacsherry 1963. Used to pick birds nest. Would walk out to the viaduct, he was there for the lofting of the bowl by the German on the ramp. It was done it with a 16 inch bowl, the normal weight is 28. The German did it with the 16inch while Mick Barry did it with the 28. They had a ramp to help get extra height. Murphy’s brewery gave him £1000 pounds to do it. The bishop said that Barry’s bowl only actually went through a gap and didn’t really scale it. INTERVIEW ENDS |